The Best Carnist Excuses


I must share this because it’s so hilarious. Only vegan activists will fully understand the humor in this because it’s a shuffled mix of all the things non-vegans say to vegans. Thanks for George Martin and Poffo Ortiz for giving me a much needed laugh!

“Hey, did you know that chickens need to be milked, or their canines will explode, and they will multiply and take over the world, and we won’t be able to stop them, because we’ll all be anemic on a desert island, with nothing but pigs and plants that have feelings too, just like the lions that kill zebras, who were hunted by our ancestors, and ate them for protein, in order for their brains to grow bigger, so that we can invent cell phones and drive cars, in order to kill them humanely, and get our calcium and B12, from free-range, grass-fed bacteria, that we end up killing anyway when we wash our hands, not unlike all those starving children in third world countries and Eskimos, who don’t have that luxury, and could never give up cheese, because of bacon and culture, and thousands of years of evolution, that made it acceptable, because everyone else is doing it, and i don’t like vegetables, because i ate tofu one time that a pushy vegan gave to me and got sick, and i don’t want to grow boobs from all the soy that feels pain, in the natural cycle of life, at the top of the food chain, of the privileged white farmers, who will be out of a job?”

“And lets not forget about all the fish that will be out of a job, who are the REAL victims, because of the cavemen that don’t feel pain, and the free-range, grass-fed farmers, who hunt to keep the populations down, and provide us all with organic B12, that’s killed humanely and is alive, just like the Native Americans and Eskimos, in third world countries, who have other problems that are more important than tofu, which makes you fat and gay, because a friend of mine who has a protein deficiency told me so, and his uncle owns a farm and cares for his sheep”

“”Hey, i have a gluten allergy, so i NEED to eat cold water honey, in order to get my Omega 3’s, because my doctor said I’ll die if i don’t eat meat, since i have a certain blood type in my religion, where God said it’s ok to kill backyard bees, as long as i say a prayer and give thanks for their sacrifice, and use every part of the egg and not waste it, because it’s too expensive to buy them organic, and not everyone is white privilege, so we shouldn’t shove our opinions down other peoples’ throats, or try to force anyone to grow up on farm, where cows can roam free and fish like to be ridden, otherwise they would have no purpose… and anyway, i don’t like your approach, so I’m going to go home now and eat ten more POC just to piss you off, because i need the calcium, for my ancestors, who would never understand me going vegan, because i can’t live on sprouts, and human beings are omnivores, and the dominant species on the planet, and it’s the law of Nature, and we’ve been doing it since the beginning of time… so there’s no way i could ever go vegan, because you own pets, and you might accidentally step on an ant when you walk, and carrots scream when you chop them up, and i want to enjoy my life, so no thanks!”

“If you drive car and kill broccoli you’re a murderer because there are other problems in the world besides bullfighting and sea world is doing good things for the lions.. and you can’t expect everyone, everywhere to be vegan because the estrogen in kimchi causes cancer.”

“I respect what you guys are doing, but veganism isn’t for everybody, because i have a gluten intolerance, that forces me to only eat Texas rib-eye steak, medium rare, with garlic butter, from cage-free cows who are milked with love before they are killed. And you shouldn’t impose your beliefs onto others, because they might have the same food allergy. And anyway, where do you get your protein from?”

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Chandler Klebs Art

I’ve published a 112 page coloring book which is available here.

Chandler Klebs Coloring Book

It doesn’t have a really fancy cover like the other book does at least not at this point. It’s very simple which is sort of the appeal of a coloring book anyway.

Also, my previous 84 page full color art book is available here.

Chandler Klebs Art Volume 1

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Makeup is not just an obligation put on women, it’s also a way to stratify women.


The Prime Directive

okay I need to start talking about this because i haven’t seen any discussion of it and it’s bothering me a lot. Even as makeup is used as a tool to make women spend their money, time and energy focusing on their appearance and creating an image of what men find attractive (even if they don’t realize it because it’s encouraged and promoted to them as a normal and even self caring thing to do), i think there’s more complex issues created by the worldwide use of it, and I don’t think all of it was properly talked about.

Firstly, there are women who can’t afford makeup, who are forced to spend all they have on groceries and survival. And just like that, makeup becomes a sign of status. This might seem like a minor issue but it’s because women who are suffering from it are invisible and don’t get…

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Truth vs. Happiness of Children


This is a very serious topic which I’m hoping to cover in a future hangout with my vegan pals like Poffo and Guyus. A situation happened where I was playing Minecraft with one of my mom’s piano students. He was playing on his iPad and I on my computer. While we’re building things in Minecraft he starts talking about his dog. Somewhere in the conversation he made a statement that “everybody loves dogs”. Because I was playing the game and because I speak to him the way I do anyone else, I simply corrected him by telling him: “Not everyone, in China they boil them alive and eat them.”. He freaked out a little bit at the time but I didn’t say any more about it. However, my mom thinks I should not have said it to him because he’s a child and is not ready to be traumatized by the truth of the world.

Now of course I’m going to try not to bring up such things when he comes over to play video games with me, but only because I don’t want bad results to come from it. I don’t want any trouble with my mom or his parents if he mentions something I’ve said to them.

At the same time, there wasn’t anything false about what I said either. Perhaps the timing was bad but at the same time I personally don’t believe that there is anything wrong with pointing out that it simply is not true that everybody loves dogs. Many kill them and/or abuse them in other ways. I have talked with Jamie about this as well and of course he finds it terrible but at the same time I can speak to him as an adult and not worry about what his parents think.

So my mom may have a point in that I can’t just talk to kids the same way as I do adults. But still this makes me deeply uncomfortable because in my mind I see it as a sort of discrimination if I am to carefully calculate what I can and cannot say to someone just because they are a kid and might be traumatized by something.

The issue here is that I’m not the bad guy for telling someone, whoever they are, for telling the truth about what is done to dogs or any other animals. The people causing the problem are those actually doing the harm to those animals.

But I am deeply worried now because of this. I fear that I may need to avoid children as much as possible because I won’t know which things I can say that their parents approve of or not. I can’t read people’s minds like neurotypical people seem to be able to do.

I also learned something else from this experience. I should never be a parent. In the past I’ve often dreamed about someday adopting someone assuming I was retired and wealthy enough to do so. However if I have to spend the rest of my life worrying about what I can say to them or not, then it’s just something I can’t do. Additionally since it’s pretty much guaranteed that I would be a single parent, a child would be better off being adopted by another family than me.

This makes me very sad in a strange way. I’ve often thought about how much good it can do to adopt someone and I’ve often mentioned in podcasts why people should be adopting children rather than producing new ones, but just because it’s something good to do does not mean that I personally am equipped for such a task.

I see now that a person who constantly tells the truth is a threat to the short time of happiness that children can have.

Art Revival


Chandler Klebs Art

I’ve made the decision that now is a good time to do something with my old art blog that I created years ago but abandoned when I quit doing art years ago. Some things happened in my life and I was too distracted to do art regularly. But things are different now. I’m trying to make my art a serious career. Here are a few things I’ve done recently.

On 11-24- 2017, I Published my first art book which I called “Chandler Klebs Art Volume 1“. It’s probably not the most fancy title but that describes it well. It’s available as a paperback book for $30. I think it’s a good price considering how much is contained in it.

In fact, I’m so confident that people will buy it once they see it, that I’m going to do something unusual. I’m going to make it downloadable here so…

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Stressed Out Rant


Life is hard. Working takes far too much mental energy trying to please everyone and obey all their demands. I face this at work and then when I’m home my mom wants me to do things and I can’t follow directions right and I get yelled at. I’m just sick of it. This is just one reason I had to quit doing the podcasts like I was for the past few years. I also had a big blow up with Monique and told her the Celibate Vegan Voices show is off until further notice. It’s a miracle if I can even survive working at Hy-Vee and helping my mother with all the things I can’t do.

And besides that, what good has it done that I’ve talked about the controversial topics through podcasts, books, and social media. It hasn’t changed the immeasurable suffering humans inflict on each other and and billions of animals. I hope I’m wrong and that it does some good but the bottom line is that I see the utter hopelessness of my efforts. It comes down to the fact that I can’t change people including even myself to be the perfect person everyone wants me to be.

As much as possible I’m going to focus on doing what I like. Art, video games, dancing, whatever. And every time someone criticizes me for this, such as Monique recently did, I will just have to cut off ties with them at least temporarily.

And it’s not necessary to go into the details of the problems I have with Monique, my mother, or anyone else. You know why? Because then other idiots will agree with the people who are stressing me out and believe that I’m the problem.

So regardless of what your opinion is or what you think of me, I’m just having this rant so that people know I’m under a lot of stress and it’s probably best not to make me any angrier than I already am. I’m not looking for advice or criticism, constructive or otherwise about what I need to do to fix my life. Improving one’s quality of life depends 100% on how much money they have and how supportive the people around them are.

I would however like to end on a positive note. I recently had a good time at a party with my Hy-Vee coworkers. Joette brought a vegetable tray and some beans with no meat added that she knew I would eat. At least the people I work with are generally supportive of my convictions as a vegan. Sure they may not understand the reasons behind it, in spite of my quite public explanations online, but they are generally good people who treat other humans well even if they pay others to murder animals for the sake of their taste buds or false beliefs about protein.

I believe this post will be helpful to my true friends who will know I’m having a hard time so that they can possibly understand. However in the event that someone leaves stupid comments I will most likely delete them. Then they will know the frustration of realizing they’ve wasted their time. More than anything that is the frustration I feel.

At least I do have good times in life with my coworkers and doing my geometric art or playing some Minecraft with Jamie and WSD. I will do what I can to maximize my happeness for my own sake and for everyone else because I don’t want to take out my frustrations on others. I know I’m not perfect that that I say unkind things when I’m too upset. I apologize for those I have hurt in this way in spite of the fact that I also cannot be literally blamed. The understanding that none of us are responsible for our thoughts and actions because we don’t cause our own parents to have sex in the first place or raise us the way they did has been a helpful understanding to me in my own emotional health. And of course helping others to understand this was what the Free Will, Science, and Religion podcast was about.

But perhaps sometimes people are unable to understand this and think that my challenging the belief in free will, advocating veganism, or exposing religion for the fraud that it is, that I’m just doing to be mean to them. Nope, that’s not it at all. I just want them to be spared the suffering that comes from incorrect thoughts and actions.

Is Veganism a Matter of Choice? 


Daily Negativity

When people say that being vegan is a choice, I assume what they mean is that being vegan is not something which is morally required or even morally better than any other alternative; that is, it really doesn’t matter whether one is vegan or not. Certainly, there are some things in life which are, in this sense, a matter of one’s choice or preference. For example, the question of how one grows their hair is a matter of choice. We should have the right to grow and style our hair to whatever length and fashion we prefer. Similarly, we are told that we have an equal right to eat and wear whatever we prefer; therefore being vegan is just a choice, no different from choices concerning hairstyle.

If there is no obligation for us to choose a particular hairstyle, why should there be any obligation to choose a particular diet?…

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